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[16:37] <@tp7> [06:17:56] the videos that require some serious avs processing become rare and rare
[16:37] <@tp7> [06:18:28] so of course the community is dying
[16:37] <Myrsloik> [06:18:49] would be more fun if all video was shit
[16:37] <@tp7> [06:18:51] even for anime you’ll mostly be fine with just runtime debanding / optional ivtc
[16:37] <@tp7> [06:18:54] yeah
[16:37] <Myrsloik> [06:18:58] I need the excitement
[16:37] <ino> [06:19:46] cross-conversion XD
[16:37] <Myrsloik> [06:22:45] hopefully there’ll be enough stuff that never gets a bluray release and only mediocre dvd
[16:37] <Myrsloik> [06:22:58] in the obscure sections
[16:37] <ino> [06:23:26] or qtec’d BD.
06[16:37] * Myrsloik [06:23:53] resumes the fight against imagemagick
[16:37] <Myrsloik> [06:24:09] the fucking dicks said they fixed the official binaries
[16:37] <Myrsloik> [06:24:12] it was a lie
[16:37] <@tp7> [06:35:06] what are you using imagemagick for even
[16:37] <Myrsloik> [06:36:47] the despicable imwri imagereader
[16:37] <Myrsloik> [06:37:09] I’m more and more tempted to try to improve ffmpeg
[16:37] <Myrsloik> [06:37:47] I’m going to write a blog post about it
[16:37] <***> Playback Complete.
[16:37] <Myrsloik> they don’t have a bug tracker
[16:37] <@tp7> can’t you just hack on pillow or something
[16:38] <Myrsloik> they have a bug forum
[17:36] <line0> <@tp7> the videos that require some serious avs processing become rare and rare <-  you think this will become true as you keep telling yourself that? http://puu.sh/f8YR3/4bffe6dc21.png
[17:37] <@tp7> omg there’s still some bad video being produced omg
[17:38] <line0> yes it is
[17:38] <line0> and stuff that can’t be fixed by runtime processing is in fact not rare at all
[17:39] <line0> it’s being released on a daily basis
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03[17:44] * ChanServ sets mode: +o tp7
[17:44] <@tp7> you’re either trolling or idk, trolling
[17:44] <line0> what?
[17:44] <@tp7> do you realize that anime streaming is like 0.0000001% of all released videos
[17:45] <@tp7> sure, there are some things that need complex processing
[17:45] <torch> by that logic, things that require complex processing (and hence Avisynth) have always been rare
[17:45] <@tp7> the amount of those things compared to all videos produced is getting lower and lower
[17:45] <@tp7> not exactly
[17:45] <torch> it’s not “lower and lower”, it’s “low and still low”
[17:46] <@tp7> take home-made videos for example
[17:46] <line0> ok, if we’re going to asspull random numbers here…
[17:46] <torch> people don’t care if their homemade videos have random telecine or blending or whatever
[17:46] <line0> 90% of all released video is web streams, home made video etc
[17:46] <line0> and it’s all broken
[17:46] <@tp7> 10-15 years ago you had to process it significantly to make it watchable, which is exactly what avisynth was designed for
[17:46] <@tp7> and if you lurk on not anime-related forums
[17:47] <@tp7> you’ll see that lots of avisynth users still process home-made video made 15 years ago
[17:47] <@tp7> and only very few of them care about stuff they shoot these days
[17:47] <@tp7> because it’s good enough
[17:47] <Myrsloik> Gotta process the vhs tapes of children
[17:48] <@tp7> line0, if you have another theory on why avisynth and general complex video processing community is dying then sure, go ahead
[17:48] <@tp7> lemme guess – it’s because avs doesn’t have x64
[17:48] <@tp7> or multithreading
[17:48] <@tp7> riiiiiiight
[17:48] <line0> because it’s a niche with a high cost of entry
[17:49] <line0> it’s always been
[17:49] <@tp7> and people are getting dumber hence the community doesn’t get any new blood
[17:50] <@tp7> makes sense
[17:50] <@tp7> definitely not because the demand for it is dying
[17:50] <@tp7> right
[17:50] <line0> few people are going to commit vast amounts of time to this hobby. and there have been a few people on the “scene” who weren’t there 15 years ago
[17:51] <line0> you just conveniently ignore them for the sake of your argument
[17:51] <line0> it’s just that the community is very small to begin with
[17:51] <@tp7> it’s not small, compared to what it was even 5 years ago it’s pretty much dead
[17:52] <torch> in some sense, it’s because the major problems (high-quality aa, deinterlacing, debanding, etc.) have been “solved”
[17:52] <line0> i’m not even arguing about it being dead
[17:52] <torch> there’s much less demand for new plugins now
[17:52] <line0> it was as dead 3 years ago as it was today
[17:53] <line0> your personal interests shifting and you getting a macbook didn’t change that
[17:53] <torch> they were solved not because sources got better (partly that too, though), but because people already made scripts/plugins to handle that
[17:53] <line0> nothing changed
[17:57] <@tp7> torch, anime-aside, sources got a lot better
[17:57] <@tp7> and even in anime
[17:57] <line0> news flash: technology marches on
[17:57] <@tp7> yeah, and old technology dies
[17:57] <line0> of course they get better, but so do our standards
[17:58] <line0> also there are new problems that come with new technology
[17:58] <@tp7> what are you even trying to prove
[17:58] <@tp7> the fact that you personally and a few “elite” anime encoders still need complicated tools
[17:58] <@tp7> sure, you are correct here
[17:58] <line0> banding is worse with new technology than it ever was
[17:59] <line0> and i’m not seeing old technology like interlacing die
[18:01] <line0> it was always a select few that (consciously) used avisynth
[18:02] <@tp7> what are you trying to prove again?
[18:02] <Myrsloik> that elitism is awesome?
[18:03] <line0> that nothing changed about avisynth’s popularity
[18:03] <line0> it was never popular to begin with
[18:04] <@tp7> but that’s totally wrong if you compare activity on d9 and other resources a few years ago and now
[18:04] <line0> and you just like to make it sound that it’s now deader than it was before because you were in the center of its development once
[18:04] <Myrsloik> tp7 was never in the center of development
[18:04] <Myrsloik> dureing its more active years
[18:05] <line0> then when avs+ didn’t get even close to the amount of github stars babbys first javascript project got, you finally realized
[18:05] <line0> but he was about a year ago
[18:06] <line0> since then his opinion on how necessary video processing is shifted dramatically
[18:07] <line0> <@tp7> but that’s totally wrong if you compare activity on d9 and other resources a few years ago and now <- do you happen to have access to visitor/usage graphs by any chance?
[18:07] <@tp7> not really, I complained about processing being unnecessary on BDs for years
[18:07] <line0> because apparently alexa doesn’t provide any long term data for free, anymore
[18:08] <@tp7> it’s pointless to compare whole site stats for avisynth
[18:08] <@tp7> since 90% of that stat is madvr, lav filters and a bit of x264
[18:08] <@tp7> and no, I don’t
[18:08] <line0> nice backpedal
[18:10] <line0> the avisynth sections are the most popular on d9
[18:10] <line0> and many of the other popular sections (newbies, capturing video) are connected to it
[18:11] <@tp7> http://puu.sh/f938x/643fa6b4ec.png  http://puu.sh/f935B/332b520c85.png
[18:11] <@tp7> idk this doesn’t agree with you
[18:11] <@tp7> at all
[18:11] <line0> so whole site stats for d9 should give us a picture
[18:12] <line0> so most visitors are passersby, ok.
[18:13] <line0> we’d probably need information on those 17% direct users
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Session Close: Wed Jan 28 18:15:18 2015

Session Start: Wed Jan 28 20:05:03 2015
Session Ident: #avs-plus
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03[20:05] * Topic is ‘Avisynth+ official development channel | Help test MT! Experimental build at http://goo.gl/e0VFYn | Help filling mt modes: https://pad.riseup.net/p/avs_plus_mt_modes | Intrinsics guide: http://asm.avs-plus.net/ | Plugins porting queue: http://goo.gl/kPywxZ’
03[20:05] * Set by [email protected] on Thu Mar 06 02:12:36

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